It looks like we both right ( me and MSL ). It is realy boring to learn Gramma Rules but we have no choice. Never bite the hand that feeds you!

2MSL
I believe there is no reason to feel shy to say something incorrect.
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That's well right!! The more and oftener you practise the better your language would be!
However it's rather tiring to type every time you need "to say" something here and you could easily make silly mistakes. When talking, on the other hand, you would probably avoid those and make different ones...;-)))

2Боби-Боба
It is realy boring to learn Gramma Rules...
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Yes, that's rather hideous job "to learn", so we'd improve this language through practising and making mistakes;-)))
The best correction is self correction!

I have to leave you for a while ;-((
See you later.

Absolutely agree! When in Rome, Do as the Romans do!

So many countries, so many customs!!

What about greetings, by the way? What do you say to your passengers?

In fact, no news! As usually - ladies and Gentelmen! This is your captain Boris speaking! Welcome on board of B-737-800. Our flight to Moscow is going to be at 35000 feet with speed in average 450 NM per hour. The weather is so-so, but I promise you to be there in good time! And bla-bla-bla...
Is it acceptable for you, Mam?

Sorry! I forgot to say Good morning!( Good evening etc.)

Fortunately or not as a first officer I don't have to talk to passengers. It's a captain's competence.

I am not agree with you, MSL! You can say the same thing except my name. Several times I have heard this information from the first officer ( KLM etc.) It was nice! Try to do this and you will get a gratitude at the same time!

Greeting for especially nervous passengers: Well, condemned men, let's fly?

Thanks to both of you...Sounds very good to me ;-)))
Here are some funny quiotes I 've come across, can't guarantee the grammar bit though, just read and relax:
"kick the tire, light the fire, and you folks in the back hold on, cuz here we go!!!"
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"Sit down. Keep your feet off the seats, and don't be spittin' yer tabaccy in the aisle"
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"I think i forgot to turn the gas off, we'll have to go back and check!"
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"Sit back you earthworms, those of us in the driving seats are about to commit aviation."
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"I feel the need; the need for speed" and high five.
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"Where's the bloody key to start this thing"
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"Good luck everyone, hope to see you in ..."
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"This is Rockin' Rod in my rock plane", then he cranks up "Born to be Wild" while speeding down the runway"

correction
quiotes -"quotes"...

2 Боби-Боба
Our SOP prescribes that captain is responsible for talking to passengers. But he can delegate this responsibility if consider appropriate.
Would you do this taking into consideration my previous message? :-)

2 MSL
Agree with Boris, you need to talk as well just in case your captain is "busy"...So keep on repeating it, whispering quietely to yourself.;-)))

If you like this, why not? Here in Russia most of co-pilots do not want ( or can not ) understand their real position. It is like a type of mind - this is my captain,s responsibility! Trust me - it is a big mistake and now a realy good time to change it! If you are not agree - just prove it.
Many thanks to all and see you tomorrow!

2 Mila and Боби-Боба
Actually I'm not in contest. Just talking to the passengers is not a matter of English for my, since I fly on domestic flights :-)

Боби-Боба
It is like a type of mind - this is my captain,s responsibility!
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I have to say that it's not my mindset. As you maybe noticed I introduced myself as a "first officer", not a "second pilot" :-)

2MSL
I appreciate your good level of English,so keep on ptactising, as I said "just in case"...I see no reason why you shouldn't speak English as much as you like it, no matter where you are...

To MSL! Just one more your mistake...
Good luck!

GRAMMAR
2MSL
As you maybe noticed I introduced ...
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There are the possibilities as follows:

As you may have noticed -possibility + result
Maybe you will have noticed...- possibility +result


I 've introduced ...- result

RE:WEATHER

Heavy storms batter parts of UK

Heavy rain and storms have swept over southern and eastern England.
In one incident a low rise block of flats was struck by lightning in Wembley, north west London, severely damaging the roof.
The overnight rain, with patchy thunder and lightning, stretched from south Wales, through Somerset, Wiltshire and Dorset, to East Sussex.
The storms hit the capital between 6am and 8am on Sunday, before moving north. By mid morning the rain had reached the Midlands and the Wash, with storms in places.
London Fire Brigade said the first call to the block of flats was at 7.07am. Fifteen appliances went to the scene in Barnhill Road, Wembley, and at one point half the roof of the three storey block was alight.
There were no reports of casualties.
The heavy rain followed storms in the south west which caused disruption on Saturday.
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Sometimes we do have severe weather warning, but very often not that precise;-(((

Well, sems my last message was lame :-(

2 Боби-Боба
Saying first officer I meant that I beilive that I ougt to be able to do anything ever required, not hiding behind captains back. Could you explain some time what exactly my mistake in?

2 Mila
Yes, now I remember... It's truly said - haste makes waste.

2MSL
I don't know what mistakes did Boris pointed out to, the truth is that we all make them..And very well said that haste makes waste!! I like that one..
Good luck in everything you up to as I am off for today.
See you some time tomorrow.

2 Mila
See you later, but tomorrow I can't - I'm flying.

Good luck to you and to all who are very welcome here!
Make HASTE slowly ;-))

2 Боби-Боба
As long as I'm here. No offence, with all my sincere respect. I prefer to judge ideas and reasons (not people!) not in terms of right or wrong, black or white etc. Truth is always amid I believe.

Mila Love | форум автора сообщения

2MSL
Well right!!
напишу по-русски, ибо гораздо проще читать методические исповеди..В России действительно подход своеобразный...ты либо гений- либо тупица.
Здесь, особенно в Англии, я обратила внимание на китайцев-попросту их здесь очень много- так они шпарят по-английски как только могут, с совершенно смешным акцентом...НО их словарный запас поразителен...и они Действительно учат..Наши же студенты из России либо боятся показаться смешными, либо прикидываются знатоками "крутого" английского, выучивая заковыристые фразы и выражения....а говорить свободно всё равно на равных не могут...
Respect is the key to any language progress both from students and teachers and of course hard work."Learn, learn and learn..."Lenin. :-)))

I completely agree with you, Mila. The problem is in our psychology: it is shame for us to look droll. What about me, I have been studying English for many years, so I can read, I understand the texts and I can write. But when I had to visit some European country, I felt myself like a deaf mute. My comprehension was always behind the speech, which was turned to me, and my answers were only monosyllabic!
My lovely son (certainly a pilot) ignores a grammar sometimes, but he speaks English and understands it better than me.
What is easier on your opinion: to teach me to speak English or to teach my son English Grammar? As for me, the second is simpler.
Correct my mistakes, please.

Hi Mila, and everyone! I'm back here for a while. Fortunately I got an opportunity to take a little breath.
I believe your respondent is right saying: "What is easier on your opinion: to teach me to speak English or to teach my son English Grammar? As for me, the second is simpler..."
It's just the way I'm going. First I made myself to speak English, then they forced me to learn grammar. Practice is the best way I think (respect to Murphy). Watching TV programs and movies is extremely useful to. On the whole It's almost no matter what to do. The point is to do anything though and don't stop. Even when it seems to you that there is no progress at all.
What is interesting I'm still not keen on "language of grammar", and can hardly follow teachers when they discuss it. Strange people speaking bird's language. :-) I prefer to speak English.

Hi MSL!
Nice to see you again!
MSL you are right- the more you PRACTICE the BETTER your communication would be- internet, youtubes, forums just a few to mention. GRAMMAR is not that crucial as far as you make yourself understandable enough, so VOCABULARY (preferably up to date), PRONUNCIATION and CONFIDENCE that you are actually communicating!
Speaking and Listening are naturally the most difficult skills in mastering any language.
So keep on practicing whenever and wherever you are!!
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2 ME
Hi and thank you for your post.
JUST A FEW CORRECTIONS
It is A shame
GRAMMAR - no article
look like droll- you can't look but you can be droll
IN your opinion
visit some...countriES
Good luck and welcome to our forum, be our guest!
See everyone later, need to go to work;-(((

Welcome back everyone!
Strange people speaking bird's language. :-)
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+5! MSL
You can explain grammar and you can learn grammar and still wouldn't be able to TALK!! It doesn't mean some teachers are good and some are not. Unless you are stuck in the situation when you NEED to talk = to survive, you wouldn't be able to put together those bits and pieces of grammar and Vocabulary together...
In the situation when you are more or less could remember the main important rules- tenses, word order, auxilary verbs... to make up all sorts of questions, you need to build up your speech patterns, looking through anything that comes your way:from native speakers' forums or simple textbooks like Streamline, films... and just drill it "like a parrot". Gradually you should be able to notice that grammar is correct and your vocabulary is impressive. It takes some time, though, and commitment.
But it's worth it.

Hi Mila and everybody! You are right - 100 %! In my opinion we have to use any possibility to talk with each other. When I,ve been in India I had no choice - just talk! Almost every day you should communicate with somebody - English everywhere! After some time you are starting to fill it! Spirit of English - such amasing filling! But anyway, there is a problem with Gramma but Your Magisty Practice with you! Bingo!!! And step by step you are moving forward!
To MSL. I wish you to change your attitude to this aspect - nobody cares where are you flying now! Domestic or International - what is the problem? Just one thing - you need it or not! That is it! I am sure - you will get it and you do not need to find some tricky words using dictionary - I think so...
I have to say до свидания!
See you later...

What do you think of that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ...

and another one to follow, this time with the text
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ...

2 Боби-Боба
nobody cares where are you flying now! Domestic or International - what is the problem? Just one thing - you need it or not! That is it! I am sure - you will get it and you do not need to find some tricky words using dictionary - I think so...
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I have to admit you are right after all. Just one thing - I fly with a new captain in a new company this time. That's why I guess I should settle more urgent things first. But when I feel it's appropriate I'll surely discuss it. Though there are a good news. Anyway I have a chance to speak English to our mechanics right now.

2 Mila
What do you think of that?
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I think the best way to perceive English is to watch English speaking films combined with Russian subtitles.

Well, this is certainly an option- watching films with subtiteles!!
One more thing I forgot to add about learning English. Very often it turns out that we do not understand what are people talking about, as we don't know cultural REALITIES. Without it we might argue on and on about grammar, vocab and pronunciation and having no clue what does actually " being Greek" mean to English people...
That's why any source needs some time for additional research into culture, history and everyday aspect of life..

CORRECTION
subtitles...of course ;-)))

Have a nice weekend!!
I am off.

Hi everyone
To continue discussin re: improving your language awareness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ...
What is good about this one is the fact that you can listen and read the lyrics as many times as you wish. Quite good technique to improve your listening skill.

Hi Mila and MSL! It looks like nobody else is here! I prefer to hear these songs with subtitles. Number 1 was so-so, 2 and 3 very nice!
I am realy happy - we have received 2 airplanes and waiting for one more! You know - it is a gorgeous aircraft ! I mean B-737-800. I,ve never seen such a beautiful and comfortable spaceship like this!!! Just amazing thing! I have been flying on it since 2002 and I am in love with him! And I hope, Mila - you will be my passenger in close future! Who knows... It,s a toss-up!
P.S. To MSL. I wish you to change your type rating and stay on NG for a long time as a captain!

Hi Боби-Боба
Nice to hear from you!! Gald you liked the links. You could perhaps carry on listening to...Agree Avril Lavinge is great!!
Yes, very much agree with you re :B-737-800. It's nice!!I like it as much as you do...and maybe one day...Never say never!!
I fly to Russia with BMI- they use airbuses A-320...
Last February (2008) my husband missed his first flight on A-380 to Heatrow and was very upset;-(((

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ...
There is alot of useful expressions in rhat patricular bit...

Take my breath away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ...

Hi Mila and Боби-Боба! Nice to see you.

2 Боби-Боба
I hope your wishes will come true. At least I'm doing all that depends on me for it. NG is a really wonderful plane. Yet I believe Airbus will do either. :-)

PS: Correction for my previous message: "Though there are a good news". Is to be read "Though there are the good news". Oh, those articles and plurals...

Hi MSL!
Glad to hear from you!! Another short break??
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Self-correction is nice one, though...
Some nouns have a plural form but take a singular verb.
news ---- The news is...;-0

2 Mila
Another short break??
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No. I'm still grounded for some reasons. But it's not for a long time.

I suspected there is a pitfall in the "news"...

By the way, could you explain what does "make trough" from previous song you've linked mean?

should be "make through"

make it through- we will overcome any difficulties
Is that what you mean?

Yet "grounded" turned out to be not a proper word. Vocabulary writes grounded = отстраненный от полетов. But I have a completely different situation :-)

Yes I've meant right that. So "make it trough" = overcome = get over. Right?