2NN - oops, need to catch up asap. BTW, I am watching PB in English and really enjoy it. Lots of slang and niggaz' stuff, especially in Season 1, when they are in jail. I don't know how it sounds in Russian but understanding Lincoln Burrows is a real challenge, he does not seem to open his mouth at all when he talks :)
I am also finishing up Lost, in English too. Strange thing is, even though this series is a US product, most of the cast speak British English so it is a stark contrast against 100% American Prison Break talk :)

2Mila - nope, just taking advantage of the relaxed air about this thread where everybody can ask whatever comes his mind ^)

Mila

This IS a case from my professional practice.
Everything was going on as usual on that day: planes were taxiing to and from their parking stands, some were in the air approaching the aerodrom, some were departing. No signs of alert. Among others there was a TU-154 destined to fly to Sochy, taxiing to the holding point for Runway 18L. The Captain of the crew was a very experienced pilot - Sharkiy. Maybe Штурман ёмоё knows him? As they rolled (were rolling?) down the fourth taxiway, I suddenly heard a sound (???) of explosion, not very loud, but it made me FEEL WORRIED. By means of binoculars (???) I carefilly examined the plane and found out its starboard undercarriage had one of its tyres burst. At that moment the TU had come to the holding line and Sharkiy requested lining up. There was another aircraft on short final so I instructed them to hold position. Sharkiy was a sort of pilot who never left A situation entirely unclarified. He asked about the distance at which the landing plane was and after HAVING GOT the answer began ASSURING me that they would be able to take off at least three times as, in their opinion, the distance was yet great enough...THE SENTENCE IS TOO LONG!! I had to disappoint (???) them and suggested that they (should?) (take a) look at their starboard undercarriage. All talks ceased at once. )))) After the approaching plane landed, Sharkiy requested taxiing back to the parking stand they left (had left?) a few minutes ago. HE didn't sound that self-assured as before. The flight was delayed for about 3 hours. But I still feel satisfied that in good (???) time managed to prevent them from taking off with a burst tyre.

2xolodenko
This is what this forum is all about!!
Still, HW is due to...And you missed your deadline!!!!;-((((

2 Mila: That cap (Ian McBride) was the "old-school" cap. He've flown a DC-9, MD-80xx & then 737 for more than 30 years and has been retired in 2005. He was an excellent pilot but a complete ass too... But that good lesson with a dirty sandwitch was very useful for him.:))))

2Romeo

Ta Romeo...
Let's start
It was told to me by an FA....(You can use the Active Voice here) and it's not the 1st time it has happened.............
That cap (Ian McBride) was the "old-school" cap..... He've ......flown a DC-9, MD-80xx & then 737 for more than 30 years and has been retired..... in 2005. He was an excellent pilot but..(AND) a complete ass too..

He was dishing out his brand of chauvinistic to a FA (THE OTHER DAY).and this... day she had enough. After he.... finished chewing her out for not servicing his needs???? (WAS IT SEX?) quickly enough, she proceeded with her plan for revenge :))))

She took his crew meal which consisted..... of a sandwitch, removed the bread and went into the WC....(ACTIONS ORDER) There she locked the door and opened the lid to the toilet..... She took the bread and used it to wipe.... the inner bowl of the toilet ......(including)... the underside of the seat (making sure to include)... a few black curly hairs (((((( (pubick hairs ???) Then she put the sandwitch back together... and delivered... it to ...Cap (with a sincere apology )...for taking ...so long..)))) She stuck...(hang) around long enough to watch him taking (having) his first bite! ))) "Always treat everyone with respect, sir, or sometimes u'll get the... another one lesson!"...... - she said :)
(But) that good lesson with.... a... dirty sandwitch was very useful for him.:))))

2NN

Please read
Amongst others there was a TU-154 destined to fly to Sochy, taxiing to the holding point for Runway 18L. Sharkiy was the Captain of the crew and he was a very experienced pilot. Штурман ёмоё might EVEN know him. As they were rolling down the fourth taxiway, I suddenly heard an explosion, not very loud, but it made me FEEL WORRIED =alerted me. With the binoculars I started examining the plane and found out=DISCOVERD THAT its starboard undercarriage had one of THE tyres burst. By that moment the TU came to=reached the holding line and Sharkiy requested lining up. There was another aircraft on short final so I instructed them to hold position. Sharkiy was a sort of pilot who would never leave the situation entirely unclarified. He asked about the distance at which the landing plane was . After (getting the) MY answer HE began ASSURING me that they would be able to take off at least three times FROM NOW ON as, in their opinion, the distance was LONG enough. I had to MAKE THEM STOP and suggested TO look at their starboard undercarriage. All THE PREVIOUS talks ceased IMMEDIATELY )))) After the approaching plane landed, Sharkiy requested taxiing back to the parking stand they had left a few minutes ago. HE didn't sound that MUCH CONFIDENT as before. The flight was delayed for about 3 hours. But I still feel HUGE SATISFACTION THAT i managed to prevent them from taking off with a burst tyre IN THE RIGHT TIME.
So what do you think....

Mila

Thanks. Such a great job! I am really impressed.
Just a couple of remarks.

"they would be able to take off at least three times FROM NOW ON as, in their opinion, the distance was LONG enough."
As the events refer to the Past, I would use "from that moment on" instead "from now on".

"I had to MAKE THEM STOP and suggested TO look at their starboard undercarriage."
The verb SUGGEST presumes the structure "that smb (should) do smth".

The rest is what I meekly accept. )))))

Okay, Mila.

"He have flown" is incorrect, sorry. Of course, it was my mistake ("He has flown" is a correct one).

Next. "But (AND) a complete ass too" - okay, thanks.

"After he...finished" - oops, maybe "He has finished", but why?

Next.. "..chewing her out for not servicing his needs" - why it's incorrect and maybe "..chewing her out for not servicing him.." is correct?:)

"She stuck around.." is CORRECT!

"Lesson with a "dirty sandwitch" also is correct, I think..

2NN
1)hey would be able to take off at least three times FROM NOW ON as, in their opinion, the distance was LONG enough."
As the events refer to the Past, I would use "from that moment on" instead "from now on".

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This is not that crucial...

2)"I had to MAKE THEM STOP and suggested TO look at their starboard undercarriage."
The verb SUGGEST presumes the structure "that smb (should) do smth".
This one I have overlooked...Correct!!
suggested they should look at their starboard undercarriage."

2Romeo
sandwich...

"After he...finished" - oops, maybe "He has finished", but why?
After He finished chewing her out
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Next. "..chewing her out for not servicing him.and the crew." is correct:)
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"She stuck around.." is CORRECT!
IN American English?

She was sticking around or hanging around....
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2Romeo
Is that your story??? or mine:-)))
an FA told me a story that according to her kept on going on and on
That cap (Ian McBride) was the "old-school" cap..... He has flown a DC-9, MD-80xx & then 737 for more than 30 years and retired in 2005. He was an excellent pilot AND a complete ass too..

He was dishing out his brand of chauvinistic... to a FA THE OTHER DAY.On that particular day she had had enough. After he finished chewing her out for not servicing his meal quickly enough, she proceeded with her plan for revenge :))))

She took his meal which was a sandwich,and went into the WC. She locked the door and opened the toilet lid. Then she took the bread out and wiped the inner bowl of the toilet and the underside of the seat with it topping up with a few black curly hairs. Then she made the sandwich up again and brought it to Cap. She sincerely apologised to him for the delay. She was sticking around long enough to watch him having his first bite! ))) "Always treat everyone with respect, sir, or sometimes u'll get another lesson like that!"...... - she said :)
That lesson with a dirty sandwitch would serve him right.:))))

Oh, of course "sandwICh", w/o "T"... my fault, I've missed it..:)

I'm really sorry for my bad grammar & spelling :( Shame on me... ((( And my bad "lite English" helps me a lot to communicate easily.. I guess that it sounds funny to you :)

"THE OTHER DAY - ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY" - IMHO it's too bulky..

PS. Mila, U're wonderful! ))

I beleive that this is my turn to tell you a story
"Dinner"
A few years ago I helped the Personnel and Accommodation Liason Department in a college.
They were expecting a group of Russian Aviation specialists to undertake an Intensive Course of General English.
The group arrived and we had a briefing regarding their arrangements.
Few days passed after and I noticed that one of them was looking rather sad and worried.
Here comes the dialogue ( in Russian naturally)
- Hi, How are you?
- Not that good, I am afraid
- Why? What's happened?
- I think that my host family is up to something...
-Come on? You should tell me....
The story
Last night (evening) I came home rather early. My Landlady told me that they were having DINNER very shortly. So I rushed upstairs to have my clothes changed, and was down in the dining room in about 5 minutes.
The Landlady brought in the meal-mashed potatoes and suasages with some greens.
I looked around. I thought that it was rather impolite to start the meal while "Dina" was not here yet...
The family didn't seem to be bothering at all..."
I couldn't laugh to be labeled impolite as well and just suggeted that he should work harder and start learning English. Otherwise more disapointments would be shortly on the way...

2Romeo

Thanks!!
No doubt, your English is good enough to help you through with everyday situations. I am absolutely sure that your AVITION ENGLISH is superb, unlike mine...
And people understand you without too much trouble..
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TO ALL
Well done all of you!! I am very impressed. Thanks.

This was a bit harsh of me to put you through that short essay writing excercise.
It's better if we just carry on talking about things, preferences, likes/dilikes etc...
Your vocabulary and basic grammar rules will do the job.
Nice to talk to you today and bye for now!!

correction
dissapointment -singular!!!
much more of dissapointment...

Mila, my sister calls my English "terrible".. She always laughs at me ((( Also, she laughs at Americans and considers that only British are able to speak English ("others are speaking Babooingllish" - she says). ((

2Romeo
Many thanks to your sister.
Would it be possible to have her here one day?
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TO ALL
What are you doing this weekend?

>> Сначала исправьте "shell" на "shall", потом замените это слово на "should" и забудьте "shall" как вспомогательный глагол будущего времени, в каком бы лице будущее время ни применялось. Уже давно так никто не говорит и не пишет, в том числе и в официальных документах. >>

This is not true, frankly speaking.

Examples:

1. The boss have invited you for a meeting. You are entering your chief's office, you notice that the door was open before. Your normal question may be 'Shall I leave the door ajar?'

2. You have just returned from a business trip and have flown some 6000 miles on EasyBobWay from Zimbabwe. However, the accountant is not accepting your expense claim because of some receipts lacking, he/she supposes these might have been your personal expenses. Normally you are questioning: 'Shall I have proof of evidence for all expenditure?'

And finally, an official document may contain the following provisions, for example:

'Tenant shall pay against utility bills issued by the landlord'
'The Russian Federation shall accept all illegal immigrants taken at their attempt to enter the European Union without holding appropriate entry clearance, provided these arrived from the territory of the Russian Federation'

>> The boss have >>

"has", конечно.
Sorry.

Людмила, вы тоже смеетесь надо мной, да? )) Моя сестра не появится здесь - я не хочу быть ОПОЗОРЕННЫМ, я не хочу, чтобы надо мной смеялись.... Мне жаль, что вы поддерживаете ее....:(((

ВСЕХ С ПРАЗДНИКОМ, ДАМЫ И ГОСПОДА!!

Вы уж простите меня за русский язык здесь.. Я сейчас выпиваю с моими соотечественниками в Нью-Йорке.. Мы говорим по-русски, sorry 2 all! :) Мы пьем за победу, за великую победу! I'm very sorry, Mila, but please understand me.. )) We'll always remember...)) С ДНЕМ ПОБЕДЫ!! АМЕРИКАНЦЫ ЗАХОДЯТ В НАШ БАР И ПОДДЕРЖИВАЮТ НАС!! ВСЕХ С ПРАЗДНИКОМ!!

God bless America! God bless Russia!!!

2ROMEO

Людмила, вы тоже смеетесь надо мной, да? )) Моя сестра не появится здесь - я не хочу быть ОПОЗОРЕННЫМ, я не хочу, чтобы надо мной смеялись.... Мне жаль, что вы поддерживаете ее....:(((
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Nobody is laughing at anybody.
It was a joke RE:your little sister.

I am raising my glass to commemorate Great Victory of Great Russia =USSR!!!

grammar
Tenant shall pay against utility bills....
'The Russian Federation shall accept all illegal immigrants ...
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I am not quite sure where those two sentences come from, as this is ABSOLUTELY wrong.
"Shall" is never used with other pronouns but only I and We.
Shall I....?
Shall we...???

So those two sentences should sound as follows:
Tenant WILL pay aginst...
The Russian Federation WILL accept all illegal immigrants...

Mila, please use smilies when U're joking! )))

Well, that's all right:)

2Romeo
Sory, Roman, it's just a sort of English (British) humour. They do not open their feelings or emotions easily. They just say it in a way that keeps you wondering...

Okay, Mila!

& no apologies are necessary:) I'm not offended ))

Oh, I'm so drunk.. Tomorrow will be a bad day((((

I am a bit behind the latest from Bern.....
Any forecast for tomorrow??? Who will be the best?

U mean ice hockey world champ?

I hope that we'll beat Canadians!

But this WCH is not the preferable target for the Russian team. Vancouver-2010 is much more important..

I used to watch famous matches between Canadian and Soviet clubs....Oh, my God, it was long ago....
I will also hope that Russia will beat Canada!!!
Let it be!

Let it be, why not?:)

But this team must win in Vancouver.. We can't win an olympic Gold since 1988. We're so tired waiting..

МINТRАNS!

>> I am not quite sure where those two sentences come from, as this is ABSOLUTELY wrong >>

В принципе, можно Вам поехать подучить английский язык в Оксфорде.

you shall not catch me again — я вам не дам себя поймать снова
he shall be told about it — ему непременно скажут об этом
they shall not pass! — они не пройдут!
you shall pay for this! — ты за это заплатишь!

Устойчивые выражения:
'...who shall remain nameless'
'Never the twain shall meet'
'As ye sow, so shall ye reap'

Книжные обороты:
You shall go to the ball, Cinderella

Формальные обороты в документах, инструкциях:
The school rules state that no child shall be allowed out of the school during the day, unless accompanied by an adult.

И, наконец, то самое, что вам показалось абсолютно ошибочным:

Multiple-entry visas with the term of validity of a minimum of 2 years and a maximum of 5 years shall be issued to the above mentioned categories of citizens, provided that they have made use of the one year multiple-entry visas in accordance with the laws on entry and stay in the territory of the visited State and that the reasons for requesting a multiple-entry visa are still valid.

(Agreement between the European Union and Ukraine on facilitation of issuance of visas)


Article 2- General clause

1. The visa facilitations provided in this Agreement shall apply to citizens of the Russian Federation and of the European Union only insofar as they are not exempted from the visa requirement by the laws and regulations of the Community, the Member States, or of the Russian Federation, the present agreement or other international agreements.

2. The national law of the Russian Federation, or of the Member States or Community law shall apply to issues not covered by the provisions of this Agreement, such as the refusal to issue a visa, recognition of travel documents, proof of sufficient means of subsistence and the refusal of entry and expulsion measures.

Article 3- Definitions

For the purpose of this Agreement:

a) "Member State" shall mean any Member State of the European Union, with the exception of the Kingdom of Denmark, Ireland and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland;

b) “Citizen of the European Union” shall mean a national of a Member State as defined in point (a);
c) “Citizen of the Russian Federation” shall mean a person, who possesses or has acquired citizenship of the Russian Federation in accordance with its national legislation.

d) “Visa” shall mean an authorization/permission issued or a decision taken by the Russian Federation or by a Member State which is required with a view to:

- entry for an intended stay of no more than 90 days in total in the Russian Federation or in that Member State or in several Member States,
- entry for transit through the territory of the Russian Federation or of that Member State or several Member States.

e) “legally residing person” shall mean:

- for the Russian Federation, a citizen of the European Union who acquired a permission for temporary residing, a residence permit or an educational or working visa for a period of more than 90 days in the Russian Federation;
- for the European Union, a citizen of the Russian Federation authorized or entitled to stay for more than 90 days in the territory of a Member State, on the basis of Community or national legislation.

Ну и вообще, почитайте его от скуки на ночь
http://www.expat.ru/forum/trav ...

Кстати, обращайтесь, если что неясно.
Переведу, подскажу. :-)

The Russian Federation WILL accept all illegal immigrants...
"...будет принимать всех..."
The Russian Federation SHALL accept all illegal immigrants...
"...следует принимать всех..."
Во втором случае shall - это не вспомогательный глагол будущего времени.
from m-w:
Shall
1 archaic a: will have to : must b: will be able to : can
2 a—used to express a command or exhortation b—used in laws, regulations, or directives to express what is mandatory
3 a—used to express what is inevitable or seems likely to happen in the future b—used to express simple futurity
4—used to express determination

Dear FREQUENT FLYER!
Thank you so much for your time to explain to me the basics of English Grammar.
I think you may have misinterpeted my message since my main comment should have been seen in the context of normal, everyday language.

In your post, you paraded an astonishing array of items extracted from the Oxford Dictionary. These are either fixed phrases e.g.as used in formal documentation, or quotes from literature, "never the twain shall meet" etc or archaic anachronisms.

Suffice to say, in normal everyday speech, it is uncommon to see the modal auxiliary "shall" used in anything other than the first person singular and first person plural. In the other persons, it is more usual to use "will." You can quote whatever you like from various sources, but that is the fact of the matter.

In which part of the world do you live, by the way? I am certain that you have a profound, in depth insight into English grammar, but at the same time, it appears less certain that you have a great appreciation of everyday, colloquial language as used in the UK.

Thank you for being so kind as to offer your help.

Mila,

I have never said that you must use 'shall' word in your everyday communication. You may and you can not use it at all.
I said that 'shall' word may be used as a normal word in some sentences (I gave you certain examples of those).

Check your reply, pls.,-

'as this is ABSOLUTELY wrong' -

a very unpleasant one, I would say.

Had you said only 'I am not quite sure where those two sentences come from, but "Shall" is never used with other pronouns but only I and We'

I would not response anything. :)

Frequent Flyer

We are not in the kindergarten. All people make mistakes. Nobody is perfect...)))
Why focus on someone else's mistakes when immediately we make our own ones? ))))

"Had you said only 'I am not quite sure where those two sentences come from, but "Shall" is never used with other pronouns but only I and We'

I would not response anything. :)"

To be more correct, you should say: "I would not have responsed anything."
It's a crucial grammar mistake.

Frequent Flyer

Just now learnt that "response" is only the noun and never the verb.
It turns out there is the verb "respond" which has the relevant for that phrase meaning.

"I wouldn't have responded/replied abything."

Now you see how it works? )))))))))))

I mean - mistakes like dwelling in Grammar experts' phrases and thoughts. )))))

2NN
Many thanks for your back-up re:"response".

Shall we have some more fun???
2FREQUENT FLYER
В принципе, можно Вам поехать подучить английский язык в Оксфорде.
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It's my dream!!! To tell you more I have been to Cambridge and its UNI several times,
but never to Oxford and its famous Uni.
Would you like to sponsor me, please?
Perhaps we could arrange a meeting and talk face-to face about peculiariries of English grammar?
Ну и вообще, почитайте его... от скуки на ночь.
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Many thanks for arranging my bedtime reading...I usually have something else to do before falling asleep. No politics or immigration issue....
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Кстати, обращайтесь, если что неясно.
Переведу, подскажу. :-)
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Perehaps, one sunny day:-)))))))))))Why not?

2NN
My husband and myself are wondering re: your English. It's very good. Where did you learn it?

>> To be more correct, you should say: "I would not have responsed anything." >>

Различите "Я бы не ответил" и "Я бы не отвечал". Мой вариант второй, поскольку я продолжаю разговаривать, а не однократно "не ответил" и всё тут.

Распространённая ошибка в английском - думать за других.

>> My husband and myself are wondering re >>

I would say:
'My husband and I...'

>> We are not in the kindergarten >>

С определённым артиклем? :)

Mila,

people round the world speak 'tourist English' or 'common English'.
An ordinary situation is that an Italian and a Russian speak to each other THAT English they suppose it to be :)

For years I have been working for an Italian company in Russia and Belgium.
I face so many people who are sure they speak English (albeit they speak English at the same level as I do), that now I wonder how the native Englishmen understand what we mean when we speak OUR English to them.
:)

My mistake 'response' comes from Italian 'rispondere' just because I do not have much practice and experience to speak English with the people whose mother tongue is English...

2FREQUENT FLYER
I would say:
'My husband and I...'
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I am afraid that this is a quote from our Queen's speech, very fomal.
I would never have thought that Her Majesty is popular the world over!!!
What part of the world do come from, by the way??